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stellata12:11:06 PM Meg (meginatree): I can just see Mussolini being a really fucking sexist perv
12:11:16 PM Meg (meginatree): And it would make her so fucking angry
12:11:32 PM Hikki: auuuuugh yes
12:11:33 PM Hikki: I think
12:11:36 PM Hikki: both of them
12:11:49 PM Hikki: though Venezia has a better grasp on her temper than Romana
12:11:55 PM Meg (meginatree): And Silvio I can't spell his last name
12:12:03 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana wants to punch him so hard
12:12:09 PM Hikki: and Venezia likes attention
12:12:15 PM Hikki: ojiwefew oh god Venezia too
12:12:21 PM Meg (meginatree): Yeah Romana does. not.
12:12:26 PM Hikki: any time Berlusconi gets to be too much
12:12:28 PM Meg (meginatree): Unless she's doing it on purpose
12:12:31 PM Hikki: VEnezia just goes to the northern provinces
12:12:35 PM Meg (meginatree): To try and get the upper hand
12:12:46 PM Hikki: like, okay
12:12:48 PM Meg (meginatree): Otherwise sgdlsgbdkd stop looking at her like she's meat
12:12:56 PM Hikki: okay this man is my boss so I can't hit him
12:13:03 PM Meg (meginatree): yes
12:13:05 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana
12:13:10 PM Meg (meginatree): >Goes to Naple
12:13:13 PM Hikki: so instead I'm just going to go to Triente
12:13:20 PM Meg (meginatree): >unplugs the phone and locks herself in
12:13:22 PM Meg (meginatree): >drinks
12:13:31 PM Meg (meginatree): as in has a cup of wine and is fucked
12:13:59 PM Hikki: ijoewfwe
12:14:37 PM Meg (meginatree): But yeah
12:14:47 PM Meg (meginatree): It's the same reason I'd think she'd idk
12:14:47 PM Hikki: the president though, he sounds like a sweetheart idk
12:14:51 PM Meg (meginatree): not get along with
12:14:52 PM Hikki: I think Venezia gets along with him
12:15:16 PM Meg (meginatree): But more less want to punch the Naples mafia yes that is the wrong word but easiest to spell, than the Sicilian
12:15:23 PM Meg (meginatree): Because from the accounts I've read/
12:15:43 PM Meg (meginatree): Women actually have a bit more respect in Naples then they would in Siciy
12:15:46 PM Meg (meginatree): Sicily
12:16:19 PM Meg (meginatree): There are a bunch of account of women becoming the head of the family and actually being really powerful
12:16:26 PM Meg (meginatree): It's fascinating
12:16:57 PM Meg (meginatree): If they really try to get rid of the mafia, they need to get the women tbh
12:17:22 PM Hikki: oooooh
12:17:37 PM Meg (meginatree): The women are the ones passing on the ideals
12:17:45 PM Meg (meginatree): They're the ones raising the kids
12:17:47 PM Meg (meginatree): the son
12:17:48 PM Meg (meginatree): s
12:17:51 PM Hikki: yes
12:18:14 PM Meg (meginatree): But because the way Italian laws worked the couldn't jail them?
12:18:29 PM Meg (meginatree): They could claim innocence and just doing what their husband asks
12:20:34 PM Meg (meginatree): If you can get your hands on Mafia Women by Clare Longrigg do
12:20:38 PM Meg (meginatree): It's really good
12:21:17 PM Meg (meginatree): It covers a bunch of women who came to a point of power in the mafia in Italy, as well as one in Amrica
12:21:56 PM Hikki: oooooh okay *A*
12:22:04 PM Hikki: Venezia, I think that like
12:22:08 PM Meg (meginatree): But it's an old book so
12:22:16 PM Hikki: on one hand, I think that she's a very deliberately, forcefully cheerful kind of person
12:22:25 PM Meg (meginatree): well 1998 so
12:22:49 PM Hikki: she's much more worldy than Veneziano, she's very aware that sometimes life is just shit
12:23:33 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana tries to not let her see though...
12:23:35 PM Hikki: she likes that it's not easy, so she'd much rather face it with as much energy and enthusiasm as possible
12:23:41 PM Meg (meginatree): babby sister must be a babby
12:23:58 PM Hikki: ;u; oh romana
12:24:06 PM Hikki: but romana you couldn't hide her from renaissance politics......
12:24:08 PM Meg (meginatree): idk in a way
12:24:18 PM Meg (meginatree): she feels like if she can keep Venezia innocent
12:24:21 PM Meg (meginatree): she hasn't failed
12:24:26 PM Meg (meginatree): and there's still hope?
12:24:37 PM Hikki: you couldn't hide her from the things Byzantium did to her people......
12:24:48 PM Hikki: ;u; romana
12:25:02 PM Hikki: but like on the other hand, I think that she also like
12:25:09 PM Hikki: I think Venezia hides things from herself sometimes
12:25:11 PM Hikki: hides the truth
12:25:28 PM Hikki: with her personality, that's the only way I can see her sticking through WWI and WWII
12:25:49 PM Meg (meginatree): like she shuts it out and pretends it's not there or?
12:25:55 PM Hikki: trying to make herself believe that it's okay, if she follows Mussolini and Germany, it's not good, but maybe they can make it better
12:26:09 PM Meg (meginatree): yeah
12:26:10 PM Hikki: because she wants to make a place for herself and her sister to live in the world together
12:26:26 PM Meg (meginatree): Where Romana is like this has turned to shit fuck you Germany fuck you
12:26:29 PM Hikki: so she shuts her eyes to how badly things really are going
12:26:36 PM Meg (meginatree): Blames Germany for everything
12:26:49 PM Meg (meginatree): And in a way that drives a wedge between her and Venezia
12:26:56 PM Meg (meginatree): Because Romana can't forgive Germany
12:27:26 PM Meg (meginatree): Mostly because she can't deal with Germany being important to Venezia
12:27:35 PM Meg (meginatree): She's terrified she;ll get shut out
12:27:53 PM Hikki: no Romana no........
12:28:05 PM Meg (meginatree): Her sister is the main person she loves
12:28:10 PM Hikki: sei mia sorella
12:28:14 PM Meg (meginatree): She won't fall in love with humans
12:28:19 PM Meg (meginatree): she isn't interested in women
12:28:27 PM Meg (meginatree): and male nations are rare
12:28:32 PM Meg (meginatree): so she focuses solely on Venezia
12:28:36 PM Meg (meginatree): and it makes her clingy
12:29:21 PM Hikki: oh romana ;u;
12:29:44 PM Hikki: Venezia's terrified of losing her sister too, more than she lets on, but she covers it up by trying to be someone to be proud of
12:29:57 PM Meg (meginatree): also
12:30:11 PM Meg (meginatree): Headcanon says Romana saw Germania finish Rome
12:30:22 PM Meg (meginatree): And she was still so young she didn't understand
12:30:33 PM Meg (meginatree): That really Germania was doing what Rome idk needed?
12:30:48 PM Meg (meginatree): And Germania did go on to keep an eye on the Italies
12:30:51 PM Hikki: I don't think she realizes how much it probably hurts Romana's pride that Venezia's the one who takes care of them now.... she's the one who supports them financially
12:30:58 PM Hikki: fffffff ;;
12:31:05 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana saw someone take her grandma away from her
12:31:15 PM Meg (meginatree): And then along comes Germany
12:31:22 PM Meg (meginatree): and she looks so much like Germania
12:31:32 PM Hikki: yeah ;_;
12:31:33 PM Meg (meginatree): And she's so scared history will repeat
12:31:58 PM Meg (meginatree): so she doesn't let anyone else in
12:32:03 PM Meg (meginatree): But she also can't let go
12:32:35 PM Meg (meginatree): in the more modern day
12:32:39 PM Meg (meginatree): she's a bit better?
12:32:46 PM Meg (meginatree): She's very very curt to Germany
12:33:05 PM Meg (meginatree): and if she sees a point where she can drive a wedge between Germany and Venezia she'll take it
12:33:12 PM Hikki: ;_;
12:33:18 PM Hikki: oh I think that
12:33:27 PM Meg (meginatree): Also, Romana's quite quietly homophobic
12:33:29 PM Hikki: sometimes Venezia gets very childish and petulant and like
12:33:37 PM Meg (meginatree): she doesn't think it's really right but
12:33:46 PM Meg (meginatree): she's been around so long to know it exists
12:33:52 PM Meg (meginatree): and it will continue to exist
12:34:12 PM Hikki: gets very annoyed with Romana's fussing and hovering, and how old fashioned she is, and sometimes Venezia just thinks
12:34:15 PM Meg (meginatree): So she doesn't outedly say that it makes her a bit uncomfy
12:34:41 PM Hikki: I'm the strong one now, I'm the wealthy one now, I'm nonna's favorite, I can take care of myself
12:34:51 PM Hikki: and then she feels bad for thinking those kinds of things about her sister
12:34:53 PM Meg (meginatree): Oh that would crush Romana
12:34:58 PM Meg (meginatree): it really would
12:35:13 PM Meg (meginatree): she knows, deep down that Venezia was Rome's favourite in a way?
12:35:15 PM Meg (meginatree): Like.
12:35:16 PM Hikki: well, I just think because, you know
12:35:19 PM Hikki: Lega Nord and all.....
12:35:30 PM Meg (meginatree): The last thing Rome probably said to her was to protect her sister
12:35:31 PM Hikki: it's not something Venezia thinks a lot, or even something her heart's really in
12:35:41 PM Hikki: it's just her being a petulant little brat
12:35:48 PM Meg (meginatree): not so much herself, but Venezia
12:36:02 PM Meg (meginatree): It made Romana feel that her only point in life was to do that
12:36:07 PM Meg (meginatree): And when she screws up
12:36:13 PM Meg (meginatree): see the seperation for so long
12:36:16 PM Meg (meginatree): ww2
12:36:21 PM Meg (meginatree): the german invasion
12:36:29 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana feels so so so guilty
12:36:46 PM Meg (meginatree): she didn't protect her properly
12:36:48 PM Hikki: noooo Romana don't feel guilty
12:36:50 PM Meg (meginatree): she fucked up
12:36:54 PM Hikki: it all worked out in the end, see?
12:36:56 PM Meg (meginatree): and Rome would be ashamed of her
12:36:57 PM Hikki: we're together now
12:37:11 PM Meg (meginatree): she doesn't understand that venezia's a big girl too
12:37:13 PM Hikki: and we're great now, and people are proud of us now
12:37:26 PM Meg (meginatree): She still looks at her sometimes and sees a child
12:37:40 PM Meg (meginatree): it doesn't help that Venezia can be immature
12:37:47 PM Hikki: and maybe we still have problems, but everybody always has problems
12:37:52 PM Meg (meginatree): ;;
12:38:06 PM Hikki: nobody's perfect but God
12:39:03 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana thinks that if she hadn't stuffed up Venezia would be perfect
12:39:10 PM Meg (meginatree): everyone esle thinks that right
12:39:14 PM Meg (meginatree): she's the cuter one
12:39:19 PM Meg (meginatree): she's the artist
12:39:24 PM Meg (meginatree): she's the favourite
12:39:38 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana may have got the name, but Venezia's the heir
12:39:45 PM Meg (meginatree): Venezia looks like Rome, more than Romana
12:11:16 PM Meg (meginatree): And it would make her so fucking angry
12:11:32 PM Hikki: auuuuugh yes
12:11:33 PM Hikki: I think
12:11:36 PM Hikki: both of them
12:11:49 PM Hikki: though Venezia has a better grasp on her temper than Romana
12:11:55 PM Meg (meginatree): And Silvio I can't spell his last name
12:12:03 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana wants to punch him so hard
12:12:09 PM Hikki: and Venezia likes attention
12:12:15 PM Hikki: ojiwefew oh god Venezia too
12:12:21 PM Meg (meginatree): Yeah Romana does. not.
12:12:26 PM Hikki: any time Berlusconi gets to be too much
12:12:28 PM Meg (meginatree): Unless she's doing it on purpose
12:12:31 PM Hikki: VEnezia just goes to the northern provinces
12:12:35 PM Meg (meginatree): To try and get the upper hand
12:12:46 PM Hikki: like, okay
12:12:48 PM Meg (meginatree): Otherwise sgdlsgbdkd stop looking at her like she's meat
12:12:56 PM Hikki: okay this man is my boss so I can't hit him
12:13:03 PM Meg (meginatree): yes
12:13:05 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana
12:13:10 PM Meg (meginatree): >Goes to Naple
12:13:13 PM Hikki: so instead I'm just going to go to Triente
12:13:20 PM Meg (meginatree): >unplugs the phone and locks herself in
12:13:22 PM Meg (meginatree): >drinks
12:13:31 PM Meg (meginatree): as in has a cup of wine and is fucked
12:13:59 PM Hikki: ijoewfwe
12:14:37 PM Meg (meginatree): But yeah
12:14:47 PM Meg (meginatree): It's the same reason I'd think she'd idk
12:14:47 PM Hikki: the president though, he sounds like a sweetheart idk
12:14:51 PM Meg (meginatree): not get along with
12:14:52 PM Hikki: I think Venezia gets along with him
12:15:16 PM Meg (meginatree): But more less want to punch the Naples mafia yes that is the wrong word but easiest to spell, than the Sicilian
12:15:23 PM Meg (meginatree): Because from the accounts I've read/
12:15:43 PM Meg (meginatree): Women actually have a bit more respect in Naples then they would in Siciy
12:15:46 PM Meg (meginatree): Sicily
12:16:19 PM Meg (meginatree): There are a bunch of account of women becoming the head of the family and actually being really powerful
12:16:26 PM Meg (meginatree): It's fascinating
12:16:57 PM Meg (meginatree): If they really try to get rid of the mafia, they need to get the women tbh
12:17:22 PM Hikki: oooooh
12:17:37 PM Meg (meginatree): The women are the ones passing on the ideals
12:17:45 PM Meg (meginatree): They're the ones raising the kids
12:17:47 PM Meg (meginatree): the son
12:17:48 PM Meg (meginatree): s
12:17:51 PM Hikki: yes
12:18:14 PM Meg (meginatree): But because the way Italian laws worked the couldn't jail them?
12:18:29 PM Meg (meginatree): They could claim innocence and just doing what their husband asks
12:20:34 PM Meg (meginatree): If you can get your hands on Mafia Women by Clare Longrigg do
12:20:38 PM Meg (meginatree): It's really good
12:21:17 PM Meg (meginatree): It covers a bunch of women who came to a point of power in the mafia in Italy, as well as one in Amrica
12:21:56 PM Hikki: oooooh okay *A*
12:22:04 PM Hikki: Venezia, I think that like
12:22:08 PM Meg (meginatree): But it's an old book so
12:22:16 PM Hikki: on one hand, I think that she's a very deliberately, forcefully cheerful kind of person
12:22:25 PM Meg (meginatree): well 1998 so
12:22:49 PM Hikki: she's much more worldy than Veneziano, she's very aware that sometimes life is just shit
12:23:33 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana tries to not let her see though...
12:23:35 PM Hikki: she likes that it's not easy, so she'd much rather face it with as much energy and enthusiasm as possible
12:23:41 PM Meg (meginatree): babby sister must be a babby
12:23:58 PM Hikki: ;u; oh romana
12:24:06 PM Hikki: but romana you couldn't hide her from renaissance politics......
12:24:08 PM Meg (meginatree): idk in a way
12:24:18 PM Meg (meginatree): she feels like if she can keep Venezia innocent
12:24:21 PM Meg (meginatree): she hasn't failed
12:24:26 PM Meg (meginatree): and there's still hope?
12:24:37 PM Hikki: you couldn't hide her from the things Byzantium did to her people......
12:24:48 PM Hikki: ;u; romana
12:25:02 PM Hikki: but like on the other hand, I think that she also like
12:25:09 PM Hikki: I think Venezia hides things from herself sometimes
12:25:11 PM Hikki: hides the truth
12:25:28 PM Hikki: with her personality, that's the only way I can see her sticking through WWI and WWII
12:25:49 PM Meg (meginatree): like she shuts it out and pretends it's not there or?
12:25:55 PM Hikki: trying to make herself believe that it's okay, if she follows Mussolini and Germany, it's not good, but maybe they can make it better
12:26:09 PM Meg (meginatree): yeah
12:26:10 PM Hikki: because she wants to make a place for herself and her sister to live in the world together
12:26:26 PM Meg (meginatree): Where Romana is like this has turned to shit fuck you Germany fuck you
12:26:29 PM Hikki: so she shuts her eyes to how badly things really are going
12:26:36 PM Meg (meginatree): Blames Germany for everything
12:26:49 PM Meg (meginatree): And in a way that drives a wedge between her and Venezia
12:26:56 PM Meg (meginatree): Because Romana can't forgive Germany
12:27:26 PM Meg (meginatree): Mostly because she can't deal with Germany being important to Venezia
12:27:35 PM Meg (meginatree): She's terrified she;ll get shut out
12:27:53 PM Hikki: no Romana no........
12:28:05 PM Meg (meginatree): Her sister is the main person she loves
12:28:10 PM Hikki: sei mia sorella
12:28:14 PM Meg (meginatree): She won't fall in love with humans
12:28:19 PM Meg (meginatree): she isn't interested in women
12:28:27 PM Meg (meginatree): and male nations are rare
12:28:32 PM Meg (meginatree): so she focuses solely on Venezia
12:28:36 PM Meg (meginatree): and it makes her clingy
12:29:21 PM Hikki: oh romana ;u;
12:29:44 PM Hikki: Venezia's terrified of losing her sister too, more than she lets on, but she covers it up by trying to be someone to be proud of
12:29:57 PM Meg (meginatree): also
12:30:11 PM Meg (meginatree): Headcanon says Romana saw Germania finish Rome
12:30:22 PM Meg (meginatree): And she was still so young she didn't understand
12:30:33 PM Meg (meginatree): That really Germania was doing what Rome idk needed?
12:30:48 PM Meg (meginatree): And Germania did go on to keep an eye on the Italies
12:30:51 PM Hikki: I don't think she realizes how much it probably hurts Romana's pride that Venezia's the one who takes care of them now.... she's the one who supports them financially
12:30:58 PM Hikki: fffffff ;;
12:31:05 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana saw someone take her grandma away from her
12:31:15 PM Meg (meginatree): And then along comes Germany
12:31:22 PM Meg (meginatree): and she looks so much like Germania
12:31:32 PM Hikki: yeah ;_;
12:31:33 PM Meg (meginatree): And she's so scared history will repeat
12:31:58 PM Meg (meginatree): so she doesn't let anyone else in
12:32:03 PM Meg (meginatree): But she also can't let go
12:32:35 PM Meg (meginatree): in the more modern day
12:32:39 PM Meg (meginatree): she's a bit better?
12:32:46 PM Meg (meginatree): She's very very curt to Germany
12:33:05 PM Meg (meginatree): and if she sees a point where she can drive a wedge between Germany and Venezia she'll take it
12:33:12 PM Hikki: ;_;
12:33:18 PM Hikki: oh I think that
12:33:27 PM Meg (meginatree): Also, Romana's quite quietly homophobic
12:33:29 PM Hikki: sometimes Venezia gets very childish and petulant and like
12:33:37 PM Meg (meginatree): she doesn't think it's really right but
12:33:46 PM Meg (meginatree): she's been around so long to know it exists
12:33:52 PM Meg (meginatree): and it will continue to exist
12:34:12 PM Hikki: gets very annoyed with Romana's fussing and hovering, and how old fashioned she is, and sometimes Venezia just thinks
12:34:15 PM Meg (meginatree): So she doesn't outedly say that it makes her a bit uncomfy
12:34:41 PM Hikki: I'm the strong one now, I'm the wealthy one now, I'm nonna's favorite, I can take care of myself
12:34:51 PM Hikki: and then she feels bad for thinking those kinds of things about her sister
12:34:53 PM Meg (meginatree): Oh that would crush Romana
12:34:58 PM Meg (meginatree): it really would
12:35:13 PM Meg (meginatree): she knows, deep down that Venezia was Rome's favourite in a way?
12:35:15 PM Meg (meginatree): Like.
12:35:16 PM Hikki: well, I just think because, you know
12:35:19 PM Hikki: Lega Nord and all.....
12:35:30 PM Meg (meginatree): The last thing Rome probably said to her was to protect her sister
12:35:31 PM Hikki: it's not something Venezia thinks a lot, or even something her heart's really in
12:35:41 PM Hikki: it's just her being a petulant little brat
12:35:48 PM Meg (meginatree): not so much herself, but Venezia
12:36:02 PM Meg (meginatree): It made Romana feel that her only point in life was to do that
12:36:07 PM Meg (meginatree): And when she screws up
12:36:13 PM Meg (meginatree): see the seperation for so long
12:36:16 PM Meg (meginatree): ww2
12:36:21 PM Meg (meginatree): the german invasion
12:36:29 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana feels so so so guilty
12:36:46 PM Meg (meginatree): she didn't protect her properly
12:36:48 PM Hikki: noooo Romana don't feel guilty
12:36:50 PM Meg (meginatree): she fucked up
12:36:54 PM Hikki: it all worked out in the end, see?
12:36:56 PM Meg (meginatree): and Rome would be ashamed of her
12:36:57 PM Hikki: we're together now
12:37:11 PM Meg (meginatree): she doesn't understand that venezia's a big girl too
12:37:13 PM Hikki: and we're great now, and people are proud of us now
12:37:26 PM Meg (meginatree): She still looks at her sometimes and sees a child
12:37:40 PM Meg (meginatree): it doesn't help that Venezia can be immature
12:37:47 PM Hikki: and maybe we still have problems, but everybody always has problems
12:37:52 PM Meg (meginatree): ;;
12:38:06 PM Hikki: nobody's perfect but God
12:39:03 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana thinks that if she hadn't stuffed up Venezia would be perfect
12:39:10 PM Meg (meginatree): everyone esle thinks that right
12:39:14 PM Meg (meginatree): she's the cuter one
12:39:19 PM Meg (meginatree): she's the artist
12:39:24 PM Meg (meginatree): she's the favourite
12:39:38 PM Meg (meginatree): Romana may have got the name, but Venezia's the heir
12:39:45 PM Meg (meginatree): Venezia looks like Rome, more than Romana